tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post1709137497378672232..comments2023-10-25T11:03:29.174-04:00Comments on Impressions of a Reader...: Impressions: Shards of Honour by Lois McMaster BujoldHilciahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17765831808358693421noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-31913640833502515662012-11-02T14:03:58.634-04:002012-11-02T14:03:58.634-04:00Angie, you're on a cruise? Have a great vacati...Angie, you're on a cruise? Have a great vacation! {sorry it took me a day to answer]<br /><br />Thank you SO much for all the great information about the Honor Harrington books. I actually went online and looked up the series, and am definitely going to go for it! The book that I have by Weber is a standalone that has some pretty bad reviews. :( A 2010 release... Anyway, I am keeping all of your notes in mind, but I LOVE that Weber loosely based the books on Horation Hornblower/Admiral Nelson. <br /><br />And lol! I love/appreciate the techy lingo, just as I love the military nitty gritty details while reading military SF! I'm one of those SF readers that NEEDS/LOVES everything to make sense (when I'm reading straight SF that goes the extra mile to provide the info). I just won't go (too) crazy (too often) detailing it all in a review. ;P <br /><br />Thanks so much for taking the time to come in to share your thoughts about this series! Particularly since you're on your way to Apia AND have to pay for the time! Enjoy, Angie, enjoy! Hugs... <br />Hilciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765831808358693421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-6453036213395067042012-11-01T17:33:00.255-04:002012-11-01T17:33:00.255-04:00The first Honor Harrington book is On Basilisk Sta...The first Honor Harrington book is <i>On Basilisk Station.</i> It rocks, highly recommended. Same with <i>Honor of the Queen,</i> the second book. Those are two of my favorites, with the prison planet jailbreak (whose name and number order I forget right now) as a close third.<br /><br />In the last few books of this series, he's moved away from Honor's POV. The books are still very good, but not quite as great as the first... eight or so? Something like that. (I'm on a cruise and paying a quarter per minute for connect time, so I beg pardon for not wanting to dash out to Goodreads and look things up. :P ) Definitely start with Basilisk, though, and keep going. Great books, some romance but that's never the main point. Feel free to skim through the tech neepery; Weber tends to go on and on and on about ship and weapon specs, and if you get the general gist of what stuff can do, that's enough to understand how Honor pulls a rabbit out in the final battle. :)<br /><br />Anyway, he said a while back that he'd intended to kill Honor off at a certain point in the series arc (the books are loosely based on Horatio Hornblower/Admiral Nelson) but when he got there she was just way too popular. So he's kept her alive, but shifted the points of view. I do like the new characters, and I think you're actually at an advantage in being able to read books back-to-back if you want, rather than having to wait a year between and remember who these new folks are and what factions they're with and how they relate to one another. This is very heavily political, by the way, although I do like that it's not all good guys on our side and bad guys on the other side. Watch out for Shannon Foraker on the enemy side a few books in -- she becomes a recurring character and is pretty awesome. :D<br /><br />Angie, somewhere in the southern hemisphere and heading towards ApiaAngiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920578701763415331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-17436811812940478432012-10-31T14:25:08.523-04:002012-10-31T14:25:08.523-04:00Hmm... David Webber? I have a book in my TBR by hi...Hmm... David Webber? I have a book in my TBR by him. Let me check to see if it's part (or the first book) of the Honor Harrigton series. I will check on the others ones. Thanks for the heads up! Hilciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765831808358693421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-33379579701527082362012-10-31T14:12:27.086-04:002012-10-31T14:12:27.086-04:00The only I can think of off the top of my head tha...The only I can think of off the top of my head that are probably more straight SF besides Huff's Valor series is Mike Sheperd's Kris Longknife series (which I have yet to try but want to) and David Webber's Honor Harrington series (ditto).<br /><br /> I saw a really great review recently for the second novel in Jean Johnson's series. The first got mixed reviews and I'm tempted to jump right in with the second one, the latest, which is something I don't normally do. Carl V. Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15948764216438379394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-27255293500297597582012-10-31T14:03:29.673-04:002012-10-31T14:03:29.673-04:00Carl, I understand. Most of the science fiction bo...Carl, I understand. Most of the science fiction books I read with female protagonists are those categorized as science fiction romance. If they are "straight SF," well... I don't really recall too many books that have female leads unless they are written by female authors. The Jacobs Ladder SF opera by Bear comes to mind as an example right off the bat. Oh and by a male author, Embassytown by China Mieville also had a female lead. I need to check out the Valor series by Tanya Huff! <br /><br />But going back to Cordelia, she's a fascinating character and like you, I wish Bujold had written a few more books from her perspective. Hilciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765831808358693421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-56743519198480614732012-10-28T21:32:59.455-04:002012-10-28T21:32:59.455-04:00I don't read many stories with the lead being ...I don't read many stories with the lead being a female protagonist. It isn't by conscious choice, it just seems to be that way. So the idea of another book series with a strong female character excites me and that is really the big part of why I'm sad to only have one more Cordelia focused book. I need to get back to Tanya Huff's Valor series. I generally read at least one of these this time of year and I have two left before I am caught up. Carl V. Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15948764216438379394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-88143641748984508642012-10-27T11:07:41.848-04:002012-10-27T11:07:41.848-04:00Carl, I know what you mean... I've been trying...Carl, I know what you mean... I've been trying to get back to this series all year! :) <br /><br />I loved the way Bujold weaved an essentially militaristic and politically driven SF world with romance in this novel. In my way of thinking it was quite subtle -- and both were intrinsic to the novel's success. But like you, I walked away from this novel thinking mostly about the characters. <br /><br />I'm already familiar with Miles through a couple of short stories I read out of sequence and am looking forward to reading his adventures. But like you, I'm a bit sad that I only have one more book to read with Cordelia and Aral as central characters. Hilciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765831808358693421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-3414720407657402802012-10-27T09:18:45.819-04:002012-10-27T09:18:45.819-04:00I finally read Shards of Honor a few weeks ago. I&...I finally read Shards of Honor a few weeks ago. I've been wanting to get to this series for some time but, as usually happens, books pile up. Not a bad problem. <br /><br />I enjoyed this one greatly. I like romance in my fiction and I thought Bujold did an admirable job of weaving in a romance that felt authentic while at the same time creating an interesting SF universe. The characters were the focus for me and I enjoyed the time spent with both Cordelia and Vor. I'll want to read the rest of the series and have heard nothing but good things about the Miles books, but even now I feel sad about having only one more Cordelia/Vor focused book to read. Carl V. Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15948764216438379394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-3037072842085666102012-03-02T13:38:56.013-05:002012-03-02T13:38:56.013-05:00Orannia, with your love of sci fi and those milita...Orannia, with your love of sci fi and those militaristic details, I think you really might enjoy this series. :)Hilciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765831808358693421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-91366192110293951072012-03-01T03:12:19.417-05:002012-03-01T03:12:19.417-05:00One of these days I should really try this series ...One of these days I should really try this series :)oranniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14007355589161084262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-72801903977753460842012-02-28T21:05:35.560-05:002012-02-28T21:05:35.560-05:00Nath, it's is! I'm so excited that you'...Nath, it's is! I'm so excited that you're willing to give an SF book a shot! I guess if you're going to take your time reading one, Bujold is a great one! I hope you enjoy it too. :DHilciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765831808358693421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-36544738477732701862012-02-28T20:17:48.251-05:002012-02-28T20:17:48.251-05:00This sounds like a great book, Hils! I'm not a...This sounds like a great book, Hils! I'm not a fan of SF, but it seems the romance and SF balance is well done and you got me curious :P Going to have to check it out. Plus, Louis McMaster Bujold is an author I've been meaning to try for so long :P<br /><br />Great review!!nathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02626894830238717124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-14246238974298532362012-02-28T19:21:32.750-05:002012-02-28T19:21:32.750-05:00Ahhh, I WILL have to read it. *g*
However, my st...Ahhh, I WILL have to read it. *g* <br /><br />However, my statement holds! I've heard enough complaints about SF with romance lines, lol!Hilciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765831808358693421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-41594910495274085702012-02-28T19:13:34.892-05:002012-02-28T19:13:34.892-05:00Hilcia -- it wasn't Shards of Honor that peopl...Hilcia -- it wasn't <i>Shards of Honor</i> that people objected too, though, but rather <i>Sharing Knife.</i> I got the impression while reading SK that it was mainly a romance with an adventure external plotline (which is a pattern many genre romances follow) rather than a fantasy adventure story with a romance subplot. I enjoyed it, but pure SF/Fantasy fans apparently felt the emphasis was skewed enough to complain of.<br /><br />AngieAngiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920578701763415331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-64161503177620610852012-02-28T19:06:49.466-05:002012-02-28T19:06:49.466-05:00Angie,
I can't help but agree with that state...Angie,<br /><br />I can't help but agree with that statement (be it true or a rumor). In many ways science fiction can be said to be political or at least it usually addresses subjects that are hot buttons at the time the stories are written. At least I've also found that to be the case. <br /><br />For example, in last year's Embassytown by Mieville, he based his story on the effects of colonization on the native populations. Yes, the natives were aliens and the colonization took place in a planet, but the effects were quite familiar if you look at history and the final results on that alien culture. <br /><br />Also in last year's Leviathan Wakes, Corey uses a war between the planets in our immediate galaxy to illustrate how ill prepared humans are to go forward due to our own limitations... Approximate quote: "If we can't even take care of our own galaxy because we are at war with each other, how the heck do we dare think we are prepared to go out there... " Of course there others who address the environment, and/or corporate corruption, gender bending, etc, etc... Or as in the old 60's and 70's the military sci fi that dealt with the Vietnam war. <br /><br />However, I STILL don't see how inserting a storyline about two people having a relationship in any of these circumstances can be viewed as a no-no! Humans have relationships, and the most important relationship is usually some sort of emotional, romantic involvement. Why look at it as a detriment to the storyline? Even if a reader expects SF, and gets SF, a romantic thread doesn't necessarily need to be viewed as detrimental. <br /><br />Just my humble opinion. <br /><br />You are right, though... their loss! Particularly when it is well done, as it is on Shards of Honor. :DHilciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765831808358693421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-22006439662536197832012-02-28T12:10:08.068-05:002012-02-28T12:10:08.068-05:00Hilcia -- I read somewhere (as hearsay, although i...Hilcia -- I read somewhere (as hearsay, although it sounds like something that could be accurate) that after the criticism for SK, Bujold commented rather wryly that science fiction is about politics, and that that was the basis of the criticism. Since Sharing Knife, and particularly the first book, has the romance as a -- and possibly THE -- primary plotline, it violated that rule.<br /><br />I hadn't thought of it that way before, but thinking about SF, yeah, it works. At least for longer SF, there does seem to be a strong political point to the main plotline in most cases, and I actually can't think of any major examples where that isn't true. So some large chunk of the SF readers were bothered, and some were actually angry, that SK's main plotline was based on something as trivial [cough] as two people forming a romantic relationship, even though there certainly are political issues in the books.<br /><br />I'm with you in that I like both, although I'll admit my expectations do play into how well I enjoy something. Maybe because Bujold has written romance before, and the blurb for SK set me up to expect a romance plotline. I might not've gone in expecting it to be the primary plotline, but the fact that it was wasn't a major shock to me. [ponder] Someone who's not a romance reader, though, and expects SF (or fantasy) period might've felt blindsided and grumpy.<br /><br />Heck, their loss. :)<br /><br />AngieAngiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920578701763415331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-54187912573509302282012-02-28T08:32:42.364-05:002012-02-28T08:32:42.364-05:00KMont, I see that Angie took care of answering you...KMont, I see that Angie took care of answering you about the SK fantasy series (I also understand that that series has more romance). This one is more of a science fiction series, but it begins with a romance too. I see that you bought the book! Yay! I've been holding this series in my TBR since 2009/2010!! It's time. :) <br /><br />Alex, give it a shot! You might enjoy it... I think everyone who has read the Miles Vorkosigan saga has adored it. Who knows? You might become a fan too. :) <br /><br />Angie, thanks! And you know? It's interesting how different fans view this genre -- I find it to be a very rigid fanbase. I'm so fluid in what I like and read that I tend not to understand those lines drawn in the sand. <br /><br />Victoria, definitely! I can't wait to continue with the series. I have Barrayar sitting on my coffe table and am petting it... that means it will be devoured soon!<br /><br />Li, see my comment to Victoria! Yes! Thank you for giving me the push to begin reading this series. I've been looking forward to reading it and just needed to get started. :) <br /><br />KMont, the Baen Library had the whole series free a while back in ebook format. I don't know if that is still the case, but check it out!Hilciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765831808358693421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-50844523389152592512012-02-28T07:56:18.877-05:002012-02-28T07:56:18.877-05:00Dropping back in to say I did go get the first two...Dropping back in to say I did go get the first two books via Baen in this series, so thanks again for a great review<br /><br />And thank you, Angie, for the encouragement on the SN series as well. Maybe this will be the Year of Bujold for me. :DKMonthttp://lurvalamode.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-69540070214083882092012-02-27T16:46:10.713-05:002012-02-27T16:46:10.713-05:00Seconding Victoria's comment! I actually read...Seconding Victoria's comment! I actually read Shards/Barrayar in the omnibus version, so think of them as one story - I admit I can't for the life of me remember where Shards finished and Barrayar started.Lihttp://bookdaze.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-3235257192577356752012-02-27T16:19:18.192-05:002012-02-27T16:19:18.192-05:00I am so happy you're reading this series. Rea...I am so happy you're reading this series. Reading one usually means you're reading the series. *ahem*Victoria Janssenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12259793807283856761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-13126519945652233952012-02-27T14:56:04.656-05:002012-02-27T14:56:04.656-05:00KMont -- the Sharing Knife books are very good too...KMont -- the Sharing Knife books are very good too. Bujold's worldbuilding is always stellar, and I love how she managed to come up something fresh and different for her magic system in that series. The romance plot is actually stronger in SK, so much so that a lot of the genre SF/Fantasy fans complained about it. [wry smile] For those of us who like both, though, it's a great mix.<br /><br />AngieAngiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920578701763415331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-92072573248725425692012-02-27T14:16:45.512-05:002012-02-27T14:16:45.512-05:00This book sounds very interesting, I don't kno...This book sounds very interesting, I don't know why since I'm not a Sci Fi kind of girl but I'm intrigued - I do enjoy the whole politics and power plays thing from time to time - and I'm intrigued about the love woven into the story, :P even though it's not the main focus it sounds like it's well done. <br /><br />Thanks for sharing your review.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-16846316112932807702012-02-27T13:13:03.987-05:002012-02-27T13:13:03.987-05:00I've been needing to read this author's wo...I've been needing to read this author's work for some time now. I want to say I have the first in her Sharing Knife fantasy series somewhere, but I actually like the sound of this one more. I dunno, maybe the scifi romance angle is speaking to me. Think I'll hope over to my kindle and see how much it is. Thanks for your great review!KMonthttp://lurvalamode.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-58244583760146639782012-02-27T11:34:13.819-05:002012-02-27T11:34:13.819-05:00Angie, I agree. The SF/Romance were sooo well inte...Angie, I agree. The SF/Romance were sooo well integrated. I loved the way Bujold began her world building THROUGH the characters' conversations as they were getting to know each other, and the romance began to develop. That part of it was just excellent and seamless. I'm really looking forward to reading Barrayar now to find out what happens next and to see how Bujold continues to build on this novel.Hilciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765831808358693421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1444239480570451270.post-64809006185362973032012-02-27T10:56:48.070-05:002012-02-27T10:56:48.070-05:00I'm so glad you're reading these. :D Thi...I'm so glad you're reading these. :D This was a great book, and one of the best SF romances I've ever read. (I wish the romance writers would get the trick of blending the two genres half as well as Bujold has.) <i>Barrayar</i> is less of a romance, but it's a great book anyway. Cordelia's shopping trip to the capital is my favorite bit. :D<br /><br />AngieAngiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920578701763415331noreply@blogger.com